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| From | slider <slider@anashram.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.dreams.castaneda |
| Subject | US relinquishing NATO command ‘not imminent, not unthinkable’ |
| Date | 2025-04-11 13:52 +0100 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <op.24ubdqhn7eafsp@slider> (permalink) |
The potential for the United States to relinquish its long-standing role as NATO’s Supreme Allied Commander Europe (SACEUR) would represent a seismic shift in the alliance’s structure, but such a move remains unlikely in the short term, Professor Sir Lawrence Freedman told MPs this week. Speaking before the Defence Committee on 1 April, Freedman was asked about reports—most notably from NBC—that the Trump administration had considered removing the US from the SACEUR role or combining it with US Africa Command. “It would be a tremendous shift for the Americans to hand over command,” Freedman said, cautioning that “we have some way to go before we are there.” While acknowledging growing internal pressure within the Pentagon to hand over more responsibilities to European allies, he stressed that such a change would face stiff institutional resistance. https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/us-relinquishing-nato-command-not-imminent-not-unthinkable/ “You’ll see tremendous pushback in the Senate and certainly in the army. Armies don’t like giving up command posts,” he noted. “So long as the Americans are involved in European security, they will want what influence they have over it.” Still, Freedman acknowledged that any serious cut to US force posture in Europe could eventually make continued American leadership at SACEUR harder to justify. “At some point, if you’re cutting your forces below a certain point, it would be very hard to explain why you’re holding on to the command.” Asked directly by Committee Chair Tan Dhesi MP whether the move was imminent, Freedman replied: “I hope it is not imminent.” The conversation then turned to whether Europe could, in the event of a diminished US presence, emerge as a “third great power” alongside the US and China. While acknowledging that such a shift would likely bring “short-term pain” for European states, Dhesi asked whether a truly unified and rearmed Europe might reach that status in the coming years. Freedman was sceptical: “The Europeans don’t have the unity to think in those terms yet,” he said, noting that “Britain, France, Germany and Spain were the great powers of the past,” but the current political landscape is far more complex. While China, he observed, does not mirror the traditional model of a globe-spanning great power, Europe lacks the political coherence required for such a role. “There used to be talk about the EU as a civil power… not so militaristic and so on,” he added. Freedman concluded that while European nations may increasingly need to “do more on their own continent,” achieving global great power status—particularly in the military sense—remains distant. Freedman is one of Britain’s foremost strategic thinkers and served as Professor of War Studies at King’s College London from 1982 to 2014. He was a key foreign policy adviser to successive UK governments and was appointed to the Iraq Inquiry panel in 2009. Known for his analysis of nuclear strategy, international conflict, and the evolution of military doctrine, his views continue to shape defence debates at the highest level. ### - makes sense all this, the US (or nato) are stepping down and europe can fund it's own damn equivalent defense force, even to the point of potentially becoming a 3rd/4th world power if europe can really unite and become say: the federated/united states of europe, far more than just a common market... the 'panic' being - even though there's been no sign of it - that russia could suddenly expand its aims to move into OTHER nations and thus the rush to quickly amass a huge-enough force to fill the gap left by the US and to act as a deterrent in it's own right, that europe in that sense is taking-over the support of ukraine in its war with russia... the problem being that we talk a lot here about 'peace' and 'ceasefires' and how russia isn't complying, but we're not actually offering russia anything or negotiating a peace settlement as such, out of the blue we just want them to declare a ceasefire for nothing in return, we're demanding it, there is no negotiation... So nothing's changed... we can send weapons 'into' ukraine to use but can't directly do anything ourselves from outside ukraine, we can huff & puff from the sidelines and even supply the weapons and support, but we CAN'T intervene directly! e.g., the uk has just announced sending 4.5 billion in new weapons to ukraine, presumably the same 4.5 billion they just took away from the disabled for winter fuel payments, and ukraine will quickly use them up and need more, and that's on-top of the funds already pledged (more billions) the point being that unless russia 'actually' attacks another nation beyond ukraine, then this could potentially continue-on, as-is, for years! literally!! and all to no avail!!! meanwhile, they's now talking cryptically in europe, about how THIS is the CRUCIAL year and the CRUCIAL battle with russia!? (the crucial year? now?? not 2 or 3 years later??? so was this a slip?) fact remains: unless WE attack russia, russia can just sit there exactly right where it is, for decades, and there's nada we can do about it while all our economies go slowly down the drain, else we seem to be banking an awful lot on russia making some bigger move, this being just like the uk versus germany and the uk saying if you go into poland then we will be at-war and lamenting the fact that we didn't act sooner... in that instance germany did invade poland and it started ww2, but what if russia never DOES go any farther, what then?? 'acting sooner' would have also meant attacking germany and declaring war sooner, a move into poland being a step too far being what it all came down to, exactly the same situation we're now AGAIN in today! (we obviously didn't learn anything from history then!) everyone waiting to see if 'the enemy' takes another step and THEN we'll act, but CAN'T act BEFORE that without setting-off what everyone wants to avoid: an open clash! iow: it's a total stalemate situation! russia has played for stalemate and gotten there! (it's actually been a series of stalemates all through, first with ukraine and now europe?) and there's fuck-all we can now do without it being VERY clear that WE'RE attacking them! (we could feed endless supplies INTO ukraine but they haven't got endless manpower to fight with! and we can't send them any troops either!) so what's gonna happen given THAT scenario then thang, you tell me? coz am scared it means we either attack russia and break the stalemate THAT way, or suffer the economic consequences of being in a decades-long stalemate situation that we can never win! we can't AFFORD to continue like this for another year or 10! (and that's dangerous coz WE'RE likely to start something!) Ps... don't make the mistake of thinking am taking sides in 'any' of this thang, am merely an interested observer in the audience watching the world grand masters champion chess final ;)
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