Re: [NymMail Tutorial] How To Send Anonymous Messages

Subject	Re: [NymMail Tutorial] How To Send Anonymous Messages
References	(1 earlier) <qgz10cewivvg9ch1ycsgo@oc2mx.net> <10qnspm$2q3o5$1@news.tcpreset.net> <20260404.131541.e0fcf511@dirge.harmsk.com> <90eb1b43e821a20136dd1d3b2073390d@dizum.com> <10qsvho$u60h$2@news.tcpreset.net>
Message-Id	<20260405.124750.9aaacdfd@mixmin.net>
From	Yamn2 Remailer <noreply@mixmin.net>
Date	2026-04-05 12:47 +0100
Newsgroups	alt.cypherpunks, alt.privacy.anon-server, sci.crypt
Organization	dizum.com - The Internet Problem Provider

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Stefan Claas wrote:
>Nomen Nescio wrote:
>> Anonymous User <noreply@dirge.harmsk.com> wrote:
>> > Stefan Claas <ch1ffr3punk@mix.nym> wrote:
>> > 
>> > > Sorry, remops have o set-up a free of charge nym-network-requester
>> > 
>> > Does the remop have to pay for that in any way?
>> 
>> https://nym.com/docs/operators/tokenomics/mixnet-rewards#roadmap
>> 
>> tells us that though the current startup phase allows us to decide upon
>> voluntary donations ("naive rewarding") we'll soon be confronted with a
>> fixed usage costs structure ("fair Mixnet"), where, based on bandwidth
>> usage, "tickets" are collected by their Mixnet gateways, both entries
>> end exits:
>> 
>> | We are working on the final architecture of Fair Mixnet tokenomics
>> | implementation and its detailed documentation. The current design is
>> | called Naive rewarding. It is an intermediate step, allowing operators
>> | to migrate to nym-node in Mixnet smart contract and for the first time
>> | receive delegations and earn rewards for any nym-node functionality, in
>> | opposite to the past system, where only Mixnodes were able to receive
>> | delegations and rewards.
>> | 
>> | Please read the roadmap section below to see the planned development.
>> 
>> Consider that move when deciding upon your involvement in this project.
>> 
>> And here a video particularly about the reward system:
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/live/3G1pJqvO2VM?t=725
>> 
>> | This is effectively the full Nym token economics in action.  We have
>> | users paying for the NymVPN by subscriptions.  Those subscriptions are
>> | feeding into a buy order that gets triggered on the market.  A buy order
>> | buys Nym tokens that are then used to reward operators.  So we see this
>> | full virtuous cycle here.  So that's what we are all looking forward to.
>> [...]
>> | Our aim with all these changes in the final vision for nym node rewards
>> | is that nym nodes are rewarded fairly, that you guys can make a profit
>> | and it is actually desirable to run a business as a nym infrastructure
>> | provider.  We also would like to create a genuinely thriving independent
>> | professional community of operators.
>> 
>> It's all about rewards, about making money ...
>> But I think they are behind schedule.
>> 
>
>I am aware of the Nym token and award system, but I strongly doubt
>that the Nym ecosystem will become later only a commercial entity,
>where all users have to pay for Nym usage. Even it would be that
>case later, the whole project is Open Source and therefore can be
>used by everyone, meaning we could establish our own Nym Mixnet,
>with our own Network explorer.

Even if cleared from the payment system the NYM Corp network still bases
on Sphinx, where reply information and thereby sender data are part of
transmitted packets.  That unsolved problem and thereby severe weakness
is the reason why Type III Mixminion remailing never came to life.  But
it may be good enough for that business-minded company to deceive
technically uninformed though privacy-aware customers.

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  Re: [NymMail Tutorial] How To Send Anonymous Messages Stefan Claas <ch1ffr3punk@mix.nym> - 2026-03-31 17:40 +0000
    Re: [NymMail Tutorial] How To Send Anonymous Messages Stefan Claas <ch1ffr3punk@mix.nym> - 2026-03-31 17:46 +0000
      Re: [NymMail Tutorial] How To Send Anonymous Messages Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2026-03-31 22:47 +0200
        Re: [NymMail Tutorial] How To Send Anonymous Messages Stefan Claas <ch1ffr3punk@mix.nym> - 2026-03-31 21:02 +0000
          Re: [NymMail Tutorial] How To Send Anonymous Messages Stefan Claas <ch1ffr3punk@mix.nym> - 2026-03-31 21:29 +0000
          Re: [NymMail Tutorial] How To Send Anonymous Messages Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2026-04-01 02:12 +0200
            Re: [NymMail Tutorial] How To Send Anonymous Messages Stefan Claas <ch1ffr3punk@mix.nym> - 2026-04-01 07:15 +0000
              Re: [NymMail Tutorial] How To Send Anonymous Messages Yamn Remailer <noreply@mixmin.net> - 2026-04-01 13:35 +0100
                Re: [NymMail Tutorial] How To Send Anonymous Messages Stefan Claas <ch1ffr3punk@mix.nym> - 2026-04-01 13:16 +0000
                Re: [NymMail Tutorial] How To Send Anonymous Messages Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2026-04-01 17:36 +0000
                Re: [NymMail Tutorial] How To Send Anonymous Messages Stefan Claas <ch1ffr3punk@mix.nym> - 2026-04-01 17:41 +0000
                Re: [NymMail Tutorial] How To Send Anonymous Messages Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2026-04-01 20:08 +0200
                Re: [NymMail Tutorial] How To Send Anonymous Messages Stefan Claas <ch1ffr3punk@mix.nym> - 2026-04-01 18:26 +0000
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                Re: [NymMail Tutorial] How To Send Anonymous Messages Stefan Claas <ch1ffr3punk@mix.nym> - 2026-04-01 18:59 +0000
                Re: [NymMail Tutorial] How To Send Anonymous Messages Yamn2 Remailer <noreply@mixmin.net> - 2026-04-02 09:25 +0100
                Re: [NymMail Tutorial] How To Send Anonymous Messages Stefan Claas <ch1ffr3punk@mix.nym> - 2026-04-02 08:33 +0000
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                Re: [NymMail Tutorial] How To Send Anonymous Messages Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2026-04-05 02:44 +0200
                Re: [NymMail Tutorial] How To Send Anonymous Messages Stefan Claas <ch1ffr3punk@mix.nym> - 2026-04-05 06:30 +0000
                Re: [NymMail Tutorial] How To Send Anonymous Messages Yamn2 Remailer <noreply@mixmin.net> - 2026-04-05 12:47 +0100
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