Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!nntp.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Daniel70 Newsgroups: alt.comp.software.seamonkey Subject: Re: When are Message Headers retreived?? Date: Wed, 6 May 2026 20:15:34 +1000 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 91 Message-ID: <10tf4c8$13r8u$1@dont-email.me> References: <10tchi3$bn5q$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Wed, 06 May 2026 10:15:38 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; logging-data="1174814"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18OKn5Eh5Ve8q6pWGXg1Vrp"; posting-host="86f178c3d37db40ad84a97f92deb828b" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:128.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.53.21 Cancel-Lock: sha1:WBHVDhoOyCQ5689DuQXArYVRAaU= sha256:1YGfmre83IT0ZdZ2QJ7dXy4pVOnBDFR63/p8dDRrnQ8= sha1:gulPRCh3lbYpVPJN78qxtP3v6MY= In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 260505-12, 5/6/2026), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Xref: csiph.com alt.comp.software.seamonkey:8559 On 6/05/2026 6:52 am, Ralph Fox wrote: > On Tue, 5 May 2026 20:42:11 +1000, Daniel70 wrote: > >> In eternal-september.support, there is a discussion going on about when >> Message Filters are applied to a message/newsgroup. The thread is ... >> >> Maximum number of crossposts allowed on eternal-september? >> >> I've altered that Subject: to .... >> >> OT: When is the Message Body retreived from the Server?? was Re: Maximum >> number of crossposts allowed on eternal-september? >> >> Yesterday (4th May), Mickey posted (in part) .... >> >> Quote >> Since the Newsgroups header typically is not included in the xover, >> isn't this an expensive filter that doesn't work until you retrieve >> the body? >> End Quote >> >> to which I replied ... >> >> Quote >> Sorry. WHAT?? I could be wrong but ....Isn't the Header AND the Body of >> a message retrieved from the Server in the one go .... rather that the >> above seeming to suggesting the Header is retrieved and THEN the Body is >> (maybe) retrieved?? >> End Quote >> >> So, when I click on a Newsgroup in the Server Pane of SM's Mail and >> Newsgroups screen and the various Threads are listed in the Threads pane >> (i.e. one thread I see listed here is 'How can I move the "open new tab" >> Button?' posted by Hank back on the 19/04/2026'), but, without clicking >> on that line in the Threads pane, have I actually downloaded anything of >> the message header so that a filter can be applied to any lines in the >> Header information of a particular message?? > > You have downloaded only a SUBSET [^1] of the header fields, for all > messages in the threads pane. > >> Or is the Message Header information (and the Message content) ONLY >> retreived from the News Server (E-S in my particular case) when I select >> a particular Message in the Threads pane?? > > The header fields which are NOT in the subset (and the message content) > are only retrieved when you select a message (or if you have selected > the group for offline use, when you 'Download Now'). > > > You can enable NNTP logging in SeaMonkey and check the log for yourself > to see what it is doing. That way you won't have to trust people on > Usenet. > > > > > The NNTP log will you this: > > When you enter a group with (say) 100 new posts, SeaMonkey will use > a single XOVER command to download a subset [^1] of header fields > for all 100 posts in one go. > > To download the message content will take 100 separate goes, with a > separate ARTICLE command for each post. > > > ____ > FOOTNOTE > > [^1] Which header fields are in this subset, is defined in the NNTP > specifications here: > > RFC2980 section 2.8 > > > RFC3977 section 8.3.2 > > > > Sorry, Ralph, I had a quick look at both those articles and they seem to go over my head! The way I was think of it was that the news server would have a file containing the message numbers and the Subject: of the message .... No!! The more I think about MY system the more complex I would have to make it!! Disregard!! -- Daniel70